Tough Decisions On The Clock in Fantasy Basketball Drafts!

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00:00:04: It's the most slappiest time of The year.

00:00:09: we got football football and then hoops.

00:00:11: comes a call in.

00:00:12: now pass me a beer.

00:00:15: What's up, nature unclean.

00:00:16: welcome back to our podcast?

00:00:20: Oh it is this season I suppose.

00:00:23: Yeah.

00:00:23: Just pop it just occurred to me like yeah, I mean This is a sloppy time.

00:00:27: not everybody does football but if you do Yeah, it's just like its overstimulation city For a fantasy junkie right now.

00:00:34: Yeah, well for any sports fan and you just they have all the sport all over time happening Right Now.

00:00:40: I'm even watching college football now.

00:00:42: Little bit Oh man Just A little bit.

00:00:44: yeah WMBA finals are on right now too.

00:00:48: I mean it's uh You guys know this put.

00:00:51: They might as well just have the Olympics on right now, too.

00:00:53: Like what else can we throw at this?

00:00:55: Just do summer and winter Olympics right now!

00:00:59: Dude um.

00:01:00: anyways welcome back to Rejecting The Jump you guys Um And Welcome Back To Nature On Clean.

00:01:04: We're Happy To Have Him Fresh From A Near Fatal Forklift Incident I Had Heard Or At Least Following His Sleep On a Forkliff.

00:01:12: Can You Just Quickly Give Us A Proper Visual Of That As i Did Throw It Out At The End of Yesterday's Dream?

00:01:18: Well, that was it.

00:01:18: That's a bit of an exaggeration there but It just is.

00:01:21: uh some long hours lot of seven A lot of the seven-day weeks and a lot of twelve hour days in a row.

00:01:28: so But I'm here And i'm excited for The start of season which Is happening on Tuesday?

00:01:35: It has rolled right up dude!

00:01:38: Like I'd mentioned Im little more Excited than expected to be.

00:01:42: like I told Nate im fully lubricated Right now As far as I got stuff To say.

00:01:47: There's a lot to talk about, so let's roll because we don't wanna keep too much of your time.

00:01:50: You're gonna hear this late Saturday night... No excuse me Sunday nights, see I'm all backwards or Monday morning hopefully Or anytime.

00:01:59: Monday really works but We want to focus on.

00:02:02: initially This was players that were tempted by But there is a reluctancy.

00:02:06: Players.

00:02:07: I am reluctantly tempted By and for me it like players That i'm just surprised To be hovering over during drafts Because they are off brand players.

00:02:15: These are the.

00:02:16: no question about it.

00:02:17: I'm ready to get hurt again, dudes Just players that make me a bit queasy.

00:02:21: then i may click anyways.

00:02:24: So Nate how did you kind of take this topic and?

00:02:25: How do you feel about those sort of guys And are you finding that there's more of those sort Of guys when you're thinking about who you're going to be drafting?

00:02:32: or is that?

00:02:32: Are you feeling more clarity than usual?

00:02:37: No, when you threw out the idea for this podcast I definitely Immediately had a few of those guys come to mind and i feel like Especially with they.

00:02:46: there's so many veterans that have been in league now For So long That You kind Of do some These arcs on them.

00:02:53: Where are you?

00:02:53: We're Out And Then You Come Back In Or or vice versa.

00:02:58: There was A Few Those Guys Who Popped Right Front Of Mine To Me And So I'll Be Interested To See How Much Our Two Guys Overlap Here.

00:03:07: just when I thought it was out, they pulled me back in.

00:03:10: Speaking of Just When I Thought It Was Out They Pulled Me Back In And Now Im All The Way Out Before I Could Be In.

00:03:15: Just some quick hitters on news.

00:03:19: Unfortunately Per Sham's Report Kang Should Have Been Sensation.

00:03:22: Ben Simmons Fresh Off His Four For Four From the Line Pre-Season Performance He Went Ahead and Ruptured His Achilles.

00:03:30: Tendon Natron Clean During Practice Today Sunday, so yahoo already has him marked as out for the season.

00:03:36: So just a quick fallout corner.

00:03:39: The first thing that came to my mind Malik Monk.

00:03:41: three percent rostered.

00:03:43: do they still hate them?

00:03:44: I'm not sure.

00:03:44: um i think it bumps Darius.

00:03:47: a cuff Is usage at least and then we'll talk.

00:03:51: you know in the category league how much use it should We want that rookie guard to have?

00:03:55: And then Maxine Ray note stash.

00:03:56: He does have The out tag.

00:03:58: those are the first things That came into my mind.

00:03:59: now, How do You feel?

00:04:00: not there were morning will also been Simmons.

00:04:02: before he even began

00:04:04: My first thought was conspiracy corner.

00:04:07: I think that Was uh, you Know all weed where used To seeing offseason Ben Simmons highlights like him shooting the threes and then the season starts.

00:04:16: And we're let down, I think that's true.

00:04:18: his agents just like they've got ahead of it there are like.

00:04:22: you know what?

00:04:23: Are we?

00:04:23: he's at his peak?

00:04:24: He says peak value.

00:04:26: Let's shut them down Like did like the night before The NBA.

00:04:30: That was my first thought.

00:04:32: to be edible Just hit.

00:04:36: No, that is

00:04:36: foil hat as well formed It's Well worn.

00:04:41: So RIP, Kang's Ben Simmons.

00:04:43: We hardly knew.

00:04:44: ya Quick Steph Curry had an ankle scare at Sunday's practice But he looks to be fine.

00:04:50: per Dalton Johnson of NBC Sports Bay Area Where are you out on step this season?

00:04:55: He is old.

00:04:57: He kind of going in the late-twenties early thirties.

00:05:00: The drafts I've seen so far where do fall on?

00:05:02: Old Man Steph?

00:05:05: Love Steph, I'm a little cooler on them this year.

00:05:07: Uh...I'm gonna be betting the under on the team and i think they're not going to be rushing him back from any nicks in bumps this season.

00:05:18: so his gameplays are down but his current ranking is a bit steep.

00:05:27: for me

00:05:28: This is kind of the Steph Curry season, it's like an honorable curtain call.

00:05:33: He's walking around he's tipping his cat to fans maybe doing that for two more seasons.

00:05:38: but just this extended curtain call.

00:05:41: and how I see him?

00:05:43: Well let's get into players.

00:05:44: we are reluctantly tempted by Nate.

00:05:47: why don't you hit me with your first one?

00:05:48: We'll see.

00:05:48: if have any overlap.

00:05:51: I'm wondering my first player.

00:05:52: You're gonna have overlapped here.

00:05:54: It's a player Usually just immediately add to my do not draft list.

00:06:01: So I'm not even like.

00:06:02: it doesn't Even come front of mind or even her back of mine to ever go for him.

00:06:08: check on.

00:06:08: grin totally.

00:06:09: This is and that's Anthony Davis.

00:06:12: Oh, yeah That's number one in my list.

00:06:14: Okay there we go.

00:06:15: We're starting off with a bang.

00:06:17: In fact It's perfectly fine to name this the Anthony Davis all-stars this whole exercise

00:06:22: Like that.

00:06:22: so iIike that then we have the header from this podcast.

00:06:26: Yeah um, yes He he's obviously elite.

00:06:30: He's an elite player per game.

00:06:33: It's just.

00:06:34: You're just unsure of what you're gonna get.

00:06:36: I mean so since winning the title in In The Cova twenty-twenty season, his average missing He's missed an average of thirty three games per year.

00:06:46: So we played forty nine games each season Since then which is not very much.

00:06:52: but this all being said He's going at forty-five.

00:06:57: Dude,

00:06:57: forty five preseason rank is the thing that has That hasn't attempted in The Reluctance for me.

00:07:02: Yeah I feel like they're baking In so much of a risk with that ranking

00:07:07: Exactly what i had written down.

00:07:08: Yep It's baked in.

00:07:12: So are you?

00:07:14: Are You?

00:07:15: What exactly are you Is enticing about him?

00:07:18: Isn't more just his rankings or do Like His partnership With Trey Young?

00:07:23: Uh...is it a revenge tour?

00:07:25: What has your tempted about this?

00:07:26: Well,

00:07:26: number one is the price because I don't ever think that a healthy Anthony Davis coming into the season.

00:07:32: That's it!

00:07:32: That's the key.

00:07:33: you Don't want to take guys who are already hurt and You-you wanna mitigate The risk of a player getting her based on their history but not overweighing that.

00:07:42: And i think the price Is like a chaser for me...I Like the team environment..i Think its gonna be really fun....I mean they're starting lineup.

00:07:50: It gets me a little aroused fantasy-wise.

00:07:53: I think there's a lot of production.

00:07:55: it's gonna be really fun.

00:07:55: Yeah, I saw Anthony Davis go thirteenth overall last night in the category.

00:08:01: what?

00:08:02: I screamed like it was nuts.

00:08:04: And then it turns out this guy is just doing The most wild punt build they've ever seen.

00:08:09: so where he's first In five categories and can't sniff any other categories or just defensive stats rebounds that this dudes He took Chris down I mean, he was just saying it really hard.

00:08:18: So yeah a specific point in mind.

00:08:20: so we pulled him thirteenth because He's not gonna fall to you when your at the turn is not going to follow that till The end of third.

00:08:25: but um Just go goes to show that You know When you have a season rank or you Have an ADP It almost like a median adp?

00:08:33: No Joshua has been talking about this would be more useful Because i think Anthony Davis his range because That twelve thirteen night you can do whatever the hell you want.

00:08:40: its kind Of Like liberating i've Been Saying because like those there's just such a flat tier.

00:08:45: There is going to be guys you love, but you could argue for twenty guys at the twelve thirteen turn.

00:08:50: I'd say

00:08:51: yeah that it's good point.

00:08:52: i mean The difference between one in one and ten Is actually pretty big leaps.

00:08:58: each One of those steps they for guy To go up from ten two six In the rankings takes A lot.

00:09:04: But the Difference Between And You'll See It Throughout This Course Of The Season A Guy To Go Can Go From Twenty Seventh And then have a good week and beat up at sixteen.

00:09:12: Yeah,

00:09:13: no totally exactly.

00:09:14: yeah that is real.

00:09:16: So what's in your mind?

00:09:18: What is more likely Anthony Davis plays sixty five games or Alex R beats his fifty six eighty P and finishes the top fifty player.

00:09:29: Alex are

00:09:30: hmm.

00:09:31: Yeah definitely I like it.

00:09:33: I mean, where Alexar is going because you get that built.

00:09:37: whatever the probability is Anthony Davis plays less than sixty games.

00:09:41: Whatever if you want to crunch the metric That has to be something You consider when your drafting.

00:09:46: Alex are.

00:09:46: i love where alexars Going.

00:09:47: in fact we're gonna play some either or with him later.

00:09:50: Oh really okay there?

00:09:51: We go all right Go hands off

00:09:53: I got.

00:09:54: put Your Hands down Nate.

00:09:55: We Got Some Stuff Planned All Right.

00:09:58: I'm Gonna go Next.

00:09:59: We're Gonna Just go In Order of Their Pre-Season Rank.

00:10:02: My next guy is Paul George, you know.

00:10:07: I've come away with two shares of Seventh Round Paul George today and i have me!

00:10:12: I've drafted Paul George two times in a row In the seventh round.

00:10:17: uh...I'm scared of his age an injury history but these prices are gorgeous.

00:10:20: The role awaiting him at Boston is awesome.

00:10:23: The risk like Anthony Davis has completely baked into where he's going.

00:10:26: It not just the pre-season ranked number These live drafts that Im doing.

00:10:29: He Is Going on the Seventh Round.

00:10:31: Um, you know we're doing our auction draft tomorrow night which I cannot wait for and all it takes is one bidding war.

00:10:36: And this value means jack shit.

00:10:37: So just really depends on your league right?

00:10:40: But yeah i think he showed last season's a six or he still He's still good.

00:10:43: um so yeah please salvate about paul george because i know We're in lockstep on the shockingly

00:10:49: Yeah, we are in lock step on this one.

00:10:50: The...I will say It's both..i Think two things can be true.

00:10:55: first off we saw Last year.

00:10:56: Paul George clearly has lost his step.

00:11:01: He couldn't he couldn't dust You know quick defenders one-on-one anymore.

00:11:06: that used to be part of his game.

00:11:07: That like he had some dribble drive to him and I don't think you can beat guys off the dribble any more, uh You know consistently yeah But you know?

00:11:19: He did but it landed in Boston where i think he's were.

00:11:22: his strengths are gonna kind Of showcase a little bit.

00:11:24: they want they wanted to shoot threes.

00:11:26: They wanted them to kind of Be well rounded.

00:11:28: Uh, you know.

00:11:29: And I think it's going to showcase, even though he is a diminished player.

00:11:36: Uh...I think that he will be in good situation.

00:11:39: and the only question of how many games do we get?

00:11:43: That really good analysis!

00:11:45: He especially showed as the playoffs were on but he was out-of-gas.

00:11:49: But his crafty and i'm picturing him with this pairing with Tatum when you've been a superstar like Paul George Right in your mind, you were this team went out and traded Tyrese Maxi to get.

00:12:00: You tell yourself that narrative?

00:12:03: I mean like.

00:12:03: I think he's going to show up and whatever has left him the tank.

00:12:06: there is gonna be a lot of pride with what he plays this year.

00:12:10: Yeah i think so too In Boston.

00:12:13: And you know just trust Boston kind put their players into position to succeed too.

00:12:19: Exactly Did you have Paul George on your list or ?

00:12:22: I didn't but But I probably should have.

00:12:28: We'll hit us with your next shot,

00:12:31: my next one is another player that iis.

00:12:35: so this might be the most antithesis.

00:12:41: uh by that never rolled off weird but This Is The Most Opposite Of A Natron Guy Ever Like.

00:12:49: This Is Another Player That Is Never been on one of my teams, and I've-I don't even have to put him on a draft list because i've never even been tempted To draft him.

00:12:59: Wow!

00:12:59: Uh...i-I Don't want him on my real life teams.

00:13:02: I uh.. I just I'm not-I'm NOT A fan Of him or my fantasy team.

00:13:09: Is

00:13:09: he on anew?

00:13:09: I gotta play around with this quickly.

00:13:11: is He On a new Team This Season?

00:13:14: He is not on a new team.

00:13:15: He's he's a veteran, has historically been an all NBA veteran in his mid-thirties and coming off of an injury.

00:13:27: Is this AC Green?

00:13:29: He missed all last season!

00:13:31: No I was talking about the Lakers.

00:13:32: great Mr... Number

00:13:34: forty five from Oregon State

00:13:38: The greatest Virgin in NBA history perhaps

00:13:44: Or going in

00:13:45: it was when you said and a former all I be a veteran.

00:13:48: I just pictured like a veteran Like who's served?

00:13:50: And I was like he was likely to serve not David Robinson.

00:13:52: AC Green would serve.

00:13:54: Who writes?

00:13:55: yes,

00:13:55: okay

00:13:56: He's picking up trash as Kyrie Irving.

00:13:59: Okay nice yep Nice yeah,

00:14:01: I Just am not a Kyrie guy.

00:14:03: no i think his Is is and I think A lot of It comes down To him and I'm interested to have kind Of either within this within this player or right afterwards, have a little bit of discussion about total ranks versus per game ranks.

00:14:20: Because I think he is kind the poster boy for that discussion

00:14:24: where

00:14:25: you know... He's typically per-game top twenty players in NBA throughout his career but misses so much time that his totals are often below top fifty.

00:14:40: So he hasn't played seventy games since twenty sixteen in a season.

00:14:45: And

00:14:46: he also has a lot of coast games and there as well, but his weeks on are elites.

00:14:52: His game's on our elites I mean when you... He'll win you week single-handed late.

00:14:58: Even the Nets during COVID stuff was like tenth per game value for that season.

00:15:05: Yeah, just really elite.

00:15:07: You know and I think the situation that he's in is great as well.

00:15:12: So right now?

00:15:13: He's going number forty one Kyriez And the team needs him.

00:15:18: you know they need that exact player.

00:15:20: i mean They have.

00:15:21: last year they played at no point guards.

00:15:23: The Brandon Williams had fantasy relevance for god sakes And there's decent talent on this roster.

00:15:29: they got cooper flag pj washington Santiago dama naji Gafford, you know they have the number eight.

00:15:37: pick more as Johnson in there and so There's They.

00:15:42: all they need is a guy to stir of the pot here.

00:15:44: So the question is Here it is Is Number forty one where he's going?

00:15:51: enough?

00:15:51: To justify The fifty games that you That like that You're probably gonna get from Kyrie man It's really that kind of been.

00:15:59: what his average is is fifty games.

00:16:01: Well, I'm going to hit you with some deeply analytical theory on Kyrie Irving.

00:16:05: One of the reasons we're unlocksed up for this one is because the vibes are immaculate right now.

00:16:10: The vibes were just good.

00:16:12: What was that game against the Rockets?

00:16:13: Were they playing?

00:16:15: forget where they were playing overseas?

00:16:16: but that game felt like a playoff in China Yeah and i watched Like They Condensed Highlights Of That You Know Like A Twelve Minute Version Dude!

00:16:23: That Was Exciting.

00:16:25: And I Just Think With This Second Year Cooper Flag Seize In And Kyrie Having That.

00:16:30: I mean, if the Maus were trying to win last year he probably could have played.

00:16:33: He's rejuvenated and so i'm less afraid...I guess would be surprised that he only played fifty games unless he suffers a setback.

00:16:42: in fact I can see him playing seventy just because you know..he is not gonna overexert himself on defense.

00:16:49: we knew it was out there swaggering and hooping.

00:16:59: Get a quick snapshot.

00:17:00: He went in the middle of the fifth and a recent draft, so that's you know.

00:17:04: You're taking him smack dabbing between his Zubatson Buzelles?

00:17:07: Uh, you know castle when a couple picks after.

00:17:10: So uh yeah he set pit forty.

00:17:12: one is around as ADP Mm-hmm.

00:17:14: Yeah I like them on that range.

00:17:16: Let's do an.

00:17:17: oh let's do either or have like real life decisions to see how much you like it.

00:17:20: just a couple players.

00:17:22: Okay,

00:17:22: okay Either or Utah Guard keynote George as we call him around here or Kyrie Irving.

00:17:29: Uh, I'm going Kyrie here.

00:17:33: Dang dude okay

00:17:36: Mainly because i'm a little nervous about the keynotes.

00:17:39: right it's confusing It's a little muddled over there.

00:17:42: Okay Darius Garland who?

00:17:44: Really love his value?

00:17:45: or Kyrie Irving?

00:17:48: Good question.

00:17:49: I think I would go garland

00:17:51: I mean Dude he's just gonna be a lot of shots available.

00:17:54: ok last one and I Think we'll keep it positional to make it a Little easy.

00:17:59: Dejaunty Murray or Kyrie Irvin?

00:18:03: Oh, this is that's a great one.

00:18:05: This isn't-this ones good because both guys are coming off injuries as well.

00:18:08: Yes.

00:18:08: Uh... Jaunt uh... That's the Great One!

00:18:14: I'm gonna go to Jauntyyyy but i don't feel good about it..I feel like thats going down on the clock and imma make click.

00:18:22: if you're in an auction obviously depends your build and whos cheaper.

00:18:27: Uh-huh, you know if I can get a gigante for eight dollars less in Kyrie.

00:18:30: I'm gonna do that.

00:18:31: If i can get Kyrie three dollars less i'm going to do That

00:18:33: good point.

00:18:34: so okay we'll keep it moving.

00:18:39: We're gonna talk about a rookie here.

00:18:41: We're Gonna Talk About Darius a cuff junior and Sacramento Player that I'm reluctantly tempted by and it's really leaning towards the tempted.

00:18:49: The reluctance comes from playing in a nine category league.

00:18:52: You get these guards that come in, and they get all the shots in the world.

00:18:55: you just got to be ready for them To murder your field goal percentage?

00:18:58: I don't try to win turnovers.

00:18:59: I think if you're losing at you're winning it.

00:19:04: But yeah It's gonna take him awhile to figure out.

00:19:07: but i kind of want to be the guy who does fuck around.

00:19:10: findout on a cuff.

00:19:12: So he just his preseason rank is one twenty-one.

00:19:15: I pulled him, i want to say the tenth or eleventh rounds of a draft a couple days ago with Ben summons out.

00:19:21: maybe get steamed in little bit but he's really sleeping!

00:19:24: He has the epitome like a true sleeper unlike these mal watches and wares that you gotta pull into seventh at this point if you want them You can still A Cuff in double digit round.

00:19:35: so Yeah,

00:19:39: I had him on my list to talk about as well.

00:19:42: It's...I Had them on my Likely-to-take a swing on M for that were all the reasons you just laid out?

00:19:51: I think in a points league You know he said is going one twenty-one.

00:19:54: I think at points League He should be top eighty.

00:19:55: yeah uh i Think That's that that ranking makes no sense.

00:20:00: For points league i think nine cat As you laid Out that i have some Concerns.

00:20:06: i mean i think You know, right now he's only had seven rebounds across four pre-season games.

00:20:11: That's not.

00:20:12: uh you know it's pre season Not playing huge minutes but I think i am a little nervous about that.

00:20:18: so y'know?

00:20:20: He averaged six assists in college which is good and hopefully you kind of see another step up from that.

00:20:30: And really what your hoping for if hes successful Is going to be SO much scoring.

00:20:36: uh a great three three percentage threes and then you need those assists to be at eight.

00:20:44: His profile ceiling comp obviously just like if mount rush more of what this guy could ever do reminds me of an Allen Iverson type Just the volume score kind of undersized gritty player.

00:20:58: His assists really come from how often he has the ball in his hands and the gravity that comes with That rather than being like a true old-school Like Steve Nash John Stockton style playmaker, but I think just How much is gonna have to bonus hands?

00:21:10: You know He can average if you ever.

00:21:12: just six point two assist.

00:21:13: He's going To be a smash no matter what he does here.

00:21:15: field go percentage just was on the scoring.

00:21:17: Yeah at one twenty one i mean like.

00:21:20: I think really it's probably one of those things where like his nine cat ranking is probably gonna be, like, one fifty.

00:21:26: But if you do a minus-one minus two... You're like oh hey!

00:21:30: If i'm punting these two stats all the sudden he's atop sixty player or something crazy.

00:21:36: Love this addition there.

00:21:37: Word okay nice so we're in lockstep.

00:21:40: let's see

00:21:41: hit me with another one?

00:21:42: I've

00:21:42: got pillows falling back here.

00:21:47: listen Like a fling with an old lover, no question about it.

00:21:51: I'm ready to get hurt

00:21:52: again.".

00:21:53: This is man that we've never been able to quit.

00:21:55: Maybe its because he's incredibly handsome and charismatic.

00:21:58: Oh...I know

00:21:59: where this going baby!

00:22:01: Maybe its the tantalizing upside.

00:22:02: maybe its way that he floats through air on some of those dunks?

00:22:05: Maybe it turns them all over.

00:22:07: four point two turnovers per season?

00:22:10: Maybe were talking about Jalen Green.

00:22:14: Oh, that's not where I thought we were going.

00:22:16: But yeah Jalen Green all right sure Yeah Okay

00:22:20: okay.

00:22:21: so i think i remember one time you spent thirty-one dollars on a rocket.

00:22:24: jaylen green is about Right

00:22:26: sounds about right?

00:22:26: Yeah it was all in on him That season and uh yeah no one did that Season didn't pay off.

00:22:33: So i've done three drafts And i've taken them twice the points league.

00:22:37: i really felt good About It.

00:22:38: um i just steal.

00:22:40: i'm gonna keep when he When i can get Him In The Hundreds If especially it's a build where I'm focused on points and threes in volume scoring.

00:22:48: Um, i just think there's.

00:22:50: he averaged one point when steals last year.

00:22:52: It's hard to analyze his time in phoenix because he was injured.

00:22:55: He's coming back from injury And I am a little bit Stuck on how.

00:22:59: well?

00:23:00: He played against the zombies In The first round.

00:23:02: he was freaking fantastic putting up some gaudy lines making gut gutsy shot after gutsy Shot dragging Some of those games into the watchable range When they didn't have any business being.

00:23:13: So he's just still a guy that like, epitomizes this list.

00:23:17: In fact is one of those players I took in a draft couple days ago.

00:23:21: and after the draft I'm laying in bed like God damn it!

00:23:24: And looking at guys who could have taken him.

00:23:26: why did they take Sheila Green there?

00:23:27: You know...I send two offers out before bed.

00:23:29: They both get rejected.

00:23:31: I am already trying to move them but for me you are that guy.

00:23:35: where were you on him?

00:23:36: if not for you then who was that for you?

00:23:38: The guy lying in bed after drafting again thinking fuck

00:23:42: Ah, I got no notes in your analysis.

00:23:46: Analyzation there that was yeah His regular season was met his playoffs brought you right back yet and kind of left her.

00:23:54: That I guess a I'm apprehensive on him being much more than a volume score You know And i think That is my concern with them, but I mean you mentioned he's going what one twenties on average So that it's pretty much free.

00:24:12: It's right?

00:24:13: I like the way that at that point You're taking a real swing on somebody that if it clicks top seventy-five Doesn't click.

00:24:22: drop him Nate.

00:24:23: i've heard some whispers of Point Jalen green running him its that point.

00:24:27: Well they don't have a pointer on team

00:24:29: Right.

00:24:29: So maybe there is some untapped playmaking.

00:24:31: There.

00:24:31: so I think he's one of those players that we don't think it still having upside because We you know, we've gotten the same result so many times.

00:24:37: but his twenty four The team doesn't have a point.

00:24:40: He's only

00:24:40: twenty-four.

00:24:42: It was nineteen.

00:24:45: Wow

00:24:47: No, it feels like we been playing this game with him for decade.

00:24:49: He's twenty four years old.

00:24:51: That's actually bonkers to hear.

00:24:54: So to service the listener here, just as a reminder.

00:24:57: These are players that we were reluctantly tempted by.

00:24:59: now this is gonna take for me.

00:25:02: I dive I guess some little more into than negative.

00:25:04: these are players i'm just freaking confused By.

00:25:07: it doesn't necessarily mean am I interested?

00:25:09: I Just struggle when their name comes up.

00:25:11: but somebody's players.

00:25:12: It's like I don't want to have none.

00:25:14: I Have A Little bit of Like FOMO.

00:25:15: Of What Am I Missing on Some of These Guys?

00:25:19: The Number One Is He Has a Preseason Rank of Eighty Three And that is a player who um, he's getting steamed.

00:25:26: He's getting steam to high hell right now and that is Thai milk Jerome in Memphis

00:25:32: Every fantasy analyst Is number one guy dude.

00:25:36: yeah

00:25:37: exactly?

00:25:37: Here's your favorite fantasy analysts.

00:25:39: favorite fantasy analyst favorite sleeper

00:25:42: Mm-hmm.

00:25:42: Kobe white has the stupid calf issue again But he's going into same range as Kobe White and Derek Harper.

00:25:47: last night I took believe I took Fox one pick ahead of him and that's just how i'm gonna roll personally.

00:25:56: There is a lot to kind figure out in Cyphthrunate, help me do it with his role because he seems like every time you get the chance gets done.

00:26:05: but he was playing this for twenty four minutes at night capped trying to lose games.

00:26:11: we're still going play your role...but everyone has been and thrived.

00:26:16: I don't know what my assessment is on his actual talent.

00:26:21: I know that Derek Harper, Deere and Fox, Kobe White those guys are ballers...I love the role for Kobe white in Charlotte.

00:26:28: um so i guess maybe have a blind spot to him but talk me through it.

00:26:31: where you out on this.

00:26:33: yeah my biggest hesitation like.

00:26:36: he excels In his role and typically that's like as the sixth seventh man.

00:26:42: And so, you kind of my concern is extrapolating That out.

00:26:46: be like okay cool here's a guy.

00:26:48: he did this in twenty four minutes.

00:26:50: This year He's gonna get thirty two minutes right?

00:26:52: what are we going to see from him?

00:26:54: uh...and maybe We do just See Kind Of Like Just Stretch Stretch That and So I'm not I'm Not Avoiding Him i'm not Targeting Him.

00:27:04: I Feel Like I Trust.

00:27:08: So many people was like wisdom on it, but at this point.

00:27:11: It's just becoming too buzzy for me.

00:27:13: Yes

00:27:15: Do you mind?

00:27:16: do you mind if I cook real quick?

00:27:18: Yeah yeah

00:27:19: so let me cook.

00:27:21: He gives me vibes of like.

00:27:23: the easiest is that the backup quarterback where everyone's like Oh put him in.

00:27:27: he ran through You know three touchdowns and the preseason.

00:27:30: or remember when you play fantasy footballed your mother running back Tevin Coleman.

00:27:34: Remember that name?

00:27:36: Atlanta?

00:27:37: Yeah, he played for Atlantics.

00:27:38: He did.

00:27:39: He floated around.

00:27:40: Tevin Coleman is an example but this it's a player where he looks awesome as a backup.

00:27:45: your starter struggling get you know.

00:27:47: let us put Tevin Colman in and then when you give Tevin, Kevin Coleman twenty two carries he has sixty yards no touchdown.

00:27:54: so like I'm not saying that milk is sixty yards of no touchdown Ty Jerome i'm just saying I don't know.

00:28:00: And the players?

00:28:01: The opportunity cost.

00:28:02: It's not worth it For me to find out most drafts.

00:28:05: yeah No, that's fair.

00:28:10: I would be interested in him but...I feel like the whole Memphis roster kind of gives me a little bit same general queasiness where there could really pop those guys.

00:28:23: My biggest concern we've seen last couple years is their roster was deep and then end up just seeing a lot of nine man Heavy nine man even rotations.

00:28:36: And so I kind of am a little skeptical that we are going to see too many guys north the thirty one minutes on That on their roster.

00:28:45: and to your point, I don't have him jotted down but another player i find myself floating over with With a certain level of comfort at one point?

00:28:52: I moved them up twenty spots just because I was like.

00:28:55: I guess I want to see him and that's Cedric coward in the mid-seventies.

00:29:00: Like, he might get a lot of shots there.

00:29:01: but what are we really getting?

00:29:02: I don't think it was like a friendly nine cat game and so i guess if...I just..i dont see that point on him for me

00:29:10: in the

00:29:13: seventies.".

00:29:19: I'm not convinced he's gonna bring the assists rebounds.

00:29:22: So really you're hoping that it's enough points threes and defense in percentages, but It makes a little narrower of a path.

00:29:30: Nate i'm going to have You do all three these players right?

00:29:33: And then we're gonna move on to the next.

00:29:34: i'm Gonna Do The either or Okay, okay coby white and charlotte are tied.

00:29:39: Jerome

00:29:41: Coby White

00:29:42: beautiful derrick harper tied Jerome.

00:29:46: um I guess I gotta go.

00:29:50: Derick Harper It is I. yeah, I'm gonna go Derek Harper.

00:29:57: I think because I think there's if you get Derek Harper You're not dropping him all season and I think If There's a world where you could or I could I Could jettison with the other guys would less like concern.

00:30:13: So but their carper

00:30:15: gotcha that makes sense.

00:30:16: okay last one dear in Fox or tied your own

00:30:20: here on fox.

00:30:22: Um, so speaking of players that like you either hit a home run or you might drop them this next guy is on That list.

00:30:29: I'm not gonna say his name.

00:30:29: I'm going to see if he can get it.

00:30:30: So just kind of listen closely.

00:30:32: I think are good enough.

00:30:32: the outline of this player.

00:30:34: He has a preseason rank of seventy-two.

00:30:36: He's not lasting till pick seventy two in any other rooms I've been and he feels pretty expensive for his ambiguous role.

00:30:43: But he's been an absolute permanent monster when given opportunity blank The other player his position as looked good in the preseason Dot dot.

00:30:51: does this player we're talking about give a shit?

00:30:55: This is player.

00:30:56: you've a shit.

00:30:58: Is it's like job?

00:30:59: or answer something?

00:31:00: no, I don't know as much about the skies.

00:31:02: jaw He has a center and he's on a new team

00:31:08: Center on a new team like Zubat's or we get.

00:31:14: this guy has been very buzzy And his last coach hated him.

00:31:18: and then we get little snippets, and we stuck them On the cover of one Of our pods One time.

00:31:25: Ha Mitch Robinson.

00:31:26: I'm not sure who This is.

00:31:27: this

00:31:27: is Khalil.

00:31:28: where?

00:31:29: Khalil wear

00:31:31: You want to pay The price for clearware you Want to mid-fifth.

00:31:34: are you?

00:31:35: you know

00:31:35: what i'm saying?

00:31:36: like i'm Not going do

00:31:37: Yeah, so like I

00:31:38: would rather pay his price than i Would play miles turn this price.

00:31:42: Uh you would?

00:31:45: I would.

00:31:46: So okay.

00:31:47: Let's talk it so miles churner You can get in like the eleventh round.

00:31:51: Um If you want where are you got to pull them?

00:31:53: and like that.

00:31:54: if you really wanna make sure you're gonna Get him again.

00:31:56: You gotta take him into six rounds.

00:31:59: That's where you start seeing zack eddy sarr In way or usually kind of go right in the same range as each other.

00:32:05: It's almost like there's a little run.

00:32:08: So would you rather have let me just say we'd rather have mid-fifth round Khalil where or the tenth eleventh round mouse turner?

00:32:14: Okay, well now.

00:32:15: You're taking that early in the late side of these things but like

00:32:18: How dare ya?

00:32:21: But I think uh II Think Lowe were out before him Turner, but III but I had no interest and wear Like.

00:32:30: I'm thinking where.

00:32:31: I will take those guys to the same route.

00:32:33: I'm gonna take where like in the tenth.

00:32:36: You're not going to get where on the tenth

00:32:38: Yeah, which is fine.

00:32:39: I don't want him in.

00:32:40: Okay real quick before we move on.

00:32:41: so where went?

00:32:42: and he was the six pick In The Six round last night And then i got.

00:32:49: So im being a little defensive as i just drafted Miles Turner.

00:32:51: Now now were getting

00:32:52: to it.

00:32:57: Hey look!

00:32:58: I took Miles Turner with the tenth pick of the ninth rounds.

00:33:02: I Want you To hang out With me for second because centers dry up

00:33:06: Quick.

00:33:07: So so once Kada goes a male watch goes.

00:33:10: you're looking at like Miles Turner, John Collins Who I did?

00:33:14: I drafted both and then at that point it's like.

00:33:16: You just might as well wait and take a flyer on Isaiah Jackson.

00:33:19: There's no centers.

00:33:20: You've me see yeah,

00:33:21: but again totally It's a fair price.

00:33:23: there is a totally fair price for us For

00:33:26: her so we're both.

00:33:27: so just to tie above the where thing though i think its gotten too hipster for Both of Us.

00:33:33: Yeah It's boomer-bust and I just, don't trust the seriousness.

00:33:40: Don't trust situation in Milwaukee.

00:33:43: I do not trust minutes competition or player.

00:33:48: This is last one on this list.

00:33:50: then I will toss it to you.

00:33:52: maybe a similar little category thing?

00:33:56: I want argue with you but we are going to argue actually wants support

00:34:00: We already have!

00:34:03: I need walk me through because i continue struggle With this guy, I've admitted on these airwaves that i have a cognitive disconnect Especially with this guy getting into the top twenty Anywhere in the third.

00:34:16: I feel much better and so we'll see if we can get there.

00:34:19: my last two drafts He went at twenty first overall and thirty-first over all.

00:34:24: um...I passed on him at pick twenty.

00:34:25: When I when he went to thirty-one, it was really hoping you'd fall to me at like pick twenty eight and He didn't.

00:34:31: so i loved him in the ladder.

00:34:32: I struggled on The former but for some reason this player as a second round player It just doesn't click For Me um?

00:34:39: I'm Just gonna tell ya We have A preseason rank of nineteen.

00:34:42: Do You Have Any Idea Who This Guy Is?

00:34:46: I Don't Based On This That don's.

00:34:48: He'S

00:34:48: Joshua Giddy.

00:34:50: oh Yeah No it's.

00:34:52: this is a we.

00:34:53: usually this is A nine Cat League or Points Lake.

00:34:55: this is nine cat.

00:34:56: We're Talking

00:34:58: Think you know, I think and Josh Lloyd has done a great job.

00:35:01: I belaboring this point that yahoo Yahoos rankings they do one ranking across all formats Which is makes it make the tricky

00:35:11: break down.

00:35:12: just in case someone hasn't heard about this.

00:35:14: yeah so its You know, they just do one cat.

00:35:17: One ranking no matter what format that you're doing which is and their average it's in.

00:35:22: a lot of times like guys can be pretty close Like on what there are points league versus nine cats And other times you get guys that are radically different.

00:35:32: and Josh giddy I think Is the poster child of this?

00:35:35: Yeah where?

00:35:36: in a point sleek if your just looking up for points rebounds assists etc.

00:35:41: He's very good

00:35:43: he's a popcorn superstar.

00:35:45: He's gonna be close to getting triple doubles.

00:35:48: But for nine cats that ranking of nineteen makes no sense.

00:35:52: I mean like he should be in the forties.

00:35:55: Thank you Yeah, exactly so it is a composite.

00:35:58: basically with all these new formats.

00:36:00: They have this other format Be careful by their way when your signing up for Yahoo!

00:36:03: Publicly because they really don't want you To find them nine cat head-to-head.

00:36:06: You gotta dig.

00:36:08: You know they want you at every other thing.

00:36:09: They have this new format called high score that I couldn't really even explain to the listener.

00:36:13: Um, they're pushing that now.

00:36:15: Uh i think it's kind of like a best ball style where like It just automatically gives you The best scores of the players you have.

00:36:21: um but uh But yeah, um it is a composite ranking.

00:36:24: So that's a great example and that would've been A good pod topic.

00:36:27: but keep that in mind when you're looking through.

00:36:29: if something smells fishy Like josh giddy In the early twenties um a nine cat it could be because it Is fishy.

00:36:37: Yeah Okay, so I just got three things left here.

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00:37:39: Yeah and I know there has been good run from our listeners over the last couple weeks.

00:37:47: so thank you to all the listeners out there because there have been great runs on that.

00:37:52: That was awesome!

00:37:55: Cool to hear!

00:37:58: Cool.

00:38:01: The last two that I have, and we'll see if you've got time for the second one... But first is just another category of player that I typically avoid And i think were a little bit opposite on this This someone that you lean into And it's somebody that will go against.

00:38:18: It's just general categories That are rookies Rookies in general.

00:38:25: Yeah, they're less likely to be on my roster than there are your.

00:38:29: That's facts true?

00:38:30: I think like

00:38:31: I can argue with that.

00:38:33: yeah and And really the reason for me The way i look at it is that?

00:38:37: I Think based On their rankings In what you pay For them.

00:38:41: I think typically rookies will underperform the first half of the season and then You hope by holding down That that cost of holding for that long, then you're good.

00:38:54: Then once the team starts focusing on them they start clicking.

00:38:58: They are going to see this huge jump in your playoffs.

00:39:02: So I think For me it's always been a little scary because The first half of season means like seventy percent Of our fantasy regular season.

00:39:12: so i've Always Been A Little Apprehensive About Holding Them.

00:39:16: But You Know Seeing Last Years Results I'm Wondering if if last year with Khan, Flagg and BJ all being four players in core tenants of people's fantasy teams is that more a one-off?

00:39:31: or is it more just players are entering the league?

00:39:34: More ready to contribute.

00:39:39: This was like an outstanding question.

00:39:40: Feel free to tackle that!

00:39:42: And then I'm gonna do quick rundown on the rookies.

00:39:46: i am interested.

00:39:48: I'm

00:39:49: actually really curious to hear that.

00:39:51: This is where my brain went with it tonight.

00:39:53: My favorite way to end up with a rookie on my team in that way Is someone like you ends up with them.

00:39:59: They were already reluctant to buy-in, but they did.

00:40:01: The player struggles for awhile and then i buy low after a couple months of suffering

00:40:06: Brilliant and that is why you're the trade master

00:40:10: for sure.

00:40:11: So, so I have cooled on investing early in some of these guys because it kind Is can be a little brutal.

00:40:16: You can kind of snipe them off somebody especially if If you open this season With a strong start and you have somebody who's struggling?

00:40:23: You can get these guys Especially like a package deal.

00:40:26: There's a lot of players here Nate And i'm gonna kick It to you On This one Who I think Will take A while To develop Whether it's A.J.

00:40:34: de Bansa, who is coming in with a... He has something on the injury report.

00:40:38: It's unclear if he will play Wednesday.

00:40:41: Macal Brown and Brooklyn probably won't start to begin of year but also working through something unclear that could have his minutes restricted.

00:40:52: at the beginning I took both of those guys in a points league, and i'm excited about that.

00:40:57: But then at category like brown for instance Like depending on the depth it's like I'd prefer to just grab him off The waiver wire?

00:41:03: I don't know if like I'm gonna be too worried About getting him.

00:41:06: wilson is going a little high In some of the rooms.

00:41:08: I've seen Just like six seventh rounds.

00:41:10: a little hi from me so We could talk name by name or just kind of like.

00:41:15: You know I would say in general I think there's going to be rookie value that you can get off the wire if you don't feel like investing this year with your early mid-round picks.

00:41:25: Yeah, it sure is very deep.

00:41:27: It was a very deep rookie glass.

00:41:29: yeah That's true The.

00:41:34: So i guess all just quickly run through the players that are most interested in and then the players at least interest or less interesting as should say One one you already mentioned, which is dairy sake off.

00:41:48: So let's give her a pass in it.

00:41:50: She's a bonza at number ninety-one.

00:41:54: It could be I. it's a little rich.

00:41:57: I Would love to see him drop a little bit and snag them You know?

00:42:01: I think the biggest question is gonna Be and i think we'll find out really quickly Is candy bring The defensive stats?

00:42:07: yeah He he's done that in the preseason.

00:42:09: he didn't do it in college.

00:42:10: Which ones real We'll find out.

00:42:12: I'd rather

00:42:13: have quiche on George with my last pick than debonza in the eighth round when they're still value.

00:42:16: Yeah,

00:42:18: yeah, he's on George.

00:42:19: We saw it.

00:42:20: we saw a full season of him being really good there.

00:42:24: The guy who i'm pretty interested In.

00:42:27: is uh, yackso london bird?

00:42:30: Oh bro He's getting steamed.

00:42:32: He's steamy.

00:42:34: he's rocking up draft boards.

00:42:36: He still won twenty four On yahoo.

00:42:38: at the moment that's

00:42:40: a slow.

00:42:40: That's a low number because when you're in alive hot room He he's getting pulled on the seventh eighth round to this point.

00:42:47: Oh, is there okay?

00:42:48: Yeah I think it's its going up quick.

00:42:50: his preseason has been elite and i think he's.

00:42:54: But he's been.

00:42:55: he's.

00:42:57: He's pretty intriguing.

00:42:58: less interested for me Is is cambooser.

00:43:04: Not because I don't think he's going to be the best of this group.

00:43:07: I think you will be, but he's growing at fifty five

00:43:10: right now and He doesn't-he's only a power forward which on the clock kind of killed...He got to a value for me the other night And i was just like no!I need a center here.

00:43:17: I'm taking Alex Sarovarum.

00:43:20: Yeah The single eligibility is.

00:43:22: that's rough

00:43:23: especially when it's not center But It's A big guy

00:43:26: Right.

00:43:27: yes

00:43:27: true centers are pretty.

00:43:29: Uh, I got to hit you on this because i'm curious.

00:43:31: So so lexenberg Um, i'm butchering his name yaxle lindenborg.

00:43:37: is that good?

00:43:37: Yeah

00:43:38: He went as the first pick in the ninth rounds last night.

00:43:42: So would you rather have uh yaxel or uh derrick.

00:43:46: yes queen

00:43:52: I think every other of yaxl yaxal.

00:43:54: i don't i'm not a big queen guy this year.

00:43:57: yaxill Or john collins with the power force center eligibility Mmm.

00:44:05: I think i'll take the swing on yaxle.

00:44:06: nice, oh this is dang they okay last one uh h a debonza and in yaxel are only two picks apart.

00:44:12: so who do you prefer?

00:44:13: On The Clock was that's kind of the range now?

00:44:15: Oh wow Wow um I'll still still take the Swing.

00:44:21: uh debonzer

00:44:23: yeah fair enough Okay good times.

00:44:24: Um.

00:44:25: So anything else on the rookies here?

00:44:28: Yeah, the only other ones.

00:44:28: then i'll bust through these real quick.

00:44:29: You mentioned Caleb Wilson.

00:44:31: He's been elite in summer league has been a lead and preseason.

00:44:34: I feel the same way at seventy nine, which is just a little.

00:44:38: it's a little rich.

00:44:39: uh i could.

00:44:41: i feel like he's the player that could make everybody regret That.

00:44:44: but uh this is a little Rich.

00:44:46: um dm peterson Same same story too in nine cat?

00:44:51: I just don't think he's bringing enough than nine cats.

00:44:53: I think points League go for Swing away, but nine cats.

00:44:59: I don't think he's going to bring enough auxiliaries.

00:45:01: Darren Peterson or Jalen Green?

00:45:04: Nine cat.

00:45:05: Jalen green

00:45:05: Thank you cool yep so they're going in the same range.

00:45:10: Yeah Okay So my last thing before we get out of here.

00:45:13: It's not it's a different corner.

00:45:17: i'm gonna take your corner A

00:45:19: different corner.

00:45:20: Different corner.

00:45:23: Sub position corner

00:45:25: subposition corner.

00:45:27: Well, supposition.

00:45:29: Terrible ring to it so far?

00:45:31: Yeah that's fair.

00:45:33: The

00:45:33: man is tired.

00:45:33: he has been working eighteen hours a day for two months.

00:45:35: I'm gonna say an opinion That you probably want agree with And then

00:45:44: what else is there?

00:45:45: and Then i am going To want You to prove my Opinion.

00:45:51: Why your the master manipulator.

00:45:53: Is that how you meant Emily as well?

00:45:57: You're like, hey have this idea.

00:45:58: Hey pretty girl at party I Have this idea.

00:46:01: here's the deal.

00:46:02: you don't want to go on a date but i'll let you choose where we go.

00:46:05: All

00:46:08: right all

00:46:09: right.

00:46:10: so im gonna zag On The Rockets and think everybody is taking the over-on them.

00:46:16: uh on Bill Simmons podcast at glow All three of them were locking.

00:46:21: By the way, if you don't know this listener because we have-we got some new subscribers.

00:46:25: so shout out Thank You We're happy to have ya.

00:46:28: Natron is the over under guy like he's that says wheelhouse.

00:46:32: He's very good at these season long over unders and we really should spend more time on getting those Out just been a busy time but yeah.

00:46:38: So when he talks over others?

00:46:39: You should listen because this is way more his thing than mine.

00:46:43: Yeah It it's my favorite everything to do in This one.

00:46:48: I feel It's been going up.

00:46:50: If you look at the market too, like it has gone from forty-five and a half to forty seven and a halve The Houston Rockets.

00:46:56: So with the publics on it...the sharps are on its.

00:46:59: Everybody is betting it out.

00:47:01: I'm gonna bet the under on that.

00:47:03: I am gonna flip the table.

00:47:06: so my question back for you Is if i'm right And the Houston Rockettes do not have season That everybody projected them What was

00:47:15: the standard Vegas line there?

00:47:16: Forty

00:47:17: seven and a half wins.

00:47:18: Gotcha Yeah, so that'd be good for third I believe us.

00:47:23: third in the West.

00:47:25: So

00:47:26: if If they do not have this season That their projected at tab an end They fall off Which one of these players are you most concerned about reaching there?

00:47:36: ADP?

00:47:37: I'm gonna give you.

00:47:38: i'm going to Give You There starting five here.

00:47:40: And you tell me you Tell Me who your Most Concerned About.

00:47:43: Convoluted

00:47:44: Title.

00:47:44: Helpful Exercise

00:47:48: All right, so we'll start with KD.

00:47:50: at fourteen a men Thompson.

00:47:52: that twenty Alperin changooned.

00:47:55: at twenty two Jabari Smith.

00:47:57: That's ninety six and Fred van fleets At one

00:48:02: twenty nine.

00:48:02: So if the rockets finish under their total who would be most affected by that?

00:48:06: Who do you assume?

00:48:07: Would have had the biggest hit or been the biggest bust it cost

00:48:10: Correct.

00:48:11: Yeah

00:48:11: first thing that comes to mind is Katie, Katie is a little expensive for me.

00:48:15: I saw him go in the third and i thought that was beautiful.

00:48:18: uh just because whoa.

00:48:19: yeah it was a beautiful build.

00:48:20: It Was A Wemby Build.

00:48:21: That's great!

00:48:21: It was Wembie Reeves.

00:48:23: Uh...It was Wenby Austin Reeves'.

00:48:25: Katie start..I like almost stopped recording.

00:48:27: If you

00:48:27: get Katie in the Third thats amazing.

00:48:29: Exactly.

00:48:30: then take some of their risk out.

00:48:31: but my first response Is well sounds like Katie got hurt In this situation And wasn't able to stay on The Court.

00:48:36: For You Know sixty five plus.

00:48:39: Thats My First Thought In that situation, so let's play in a world where Katie misses a chunk of time.

00:48:44: You know knock on wood That.

00:48:46: then I could help him.

00:48:47: end Thompson and his usage.

00:48:49: same with your barry Smith.

00:48:50: He goes from kind of a roster clogger in category leagues to somebody you're gonna want.

00:48:56: And Then Fred Van Vleet looked awesome the preseason.

00:49:00: So, again because of the way usage works.

00:49:02: it's like you gotta tell me who is out.

00:49:03: Now in a world where no one gets hurt and that team just sucks?

00:49:08: I think its price has been Thompson then Because if offense isn't kinda running up-and down You're really relying on stocks.

00:49:14: And at this point If his offence is an improved...if he's not taking a leap as far as scoring and assists Then take his twin five rounds later or six round You know, so in this world where everyone's healthy.

00:49:31: I think I'm in Thompson to the worst value.

00:49:33: I think shingoon is fine except The fact that his coach hates him you're

00:49:38: right?

00:49:39: Yeah

00:49:40: by the way he hates them.

00:49:42: Right.

00:49:42: but then this word read Shepherd as a killer late-round flyer because their bench is terrible, you Know I like Easton, you know we retire guys but at this point it's never happening.

00:49:54: I don't think.

00:49:55: But the only guy who can really generate their own offense off that bench is as a reach shepard and he got.

00:49:59: they've been rolling out Aaron Hall day for like six years.

00:50:03: if your life

00:50:05: Yeah, yeah reach ever to one.

00:50:07: forty two is.

00:50:10: Oh You finished sixty four last

00:50:11: night.

00:50:11: well look at his defensive stats dude?

00:50:14: Yeah, I mean like he gets blocks He gets into great non-gag guy.

00:50:17: i have taken him twice in the towards end of the drafts.

00:50:20: Yeah nice mustaches here.

00:50:22: Yeah, he looks awesome.

00:50:23: his hair look sick Okay.

00:50:25: So that's so.

00:50:26: yeah Did you have a different kind of thought process on that rockets thing?

00:50:31: No I like the way you phrase it and i guess was You know II.

00:50:38: I guess I wasn't.

00:50:39: Looking at it a little bit like How Phoenix fell apart few years ago and when everybody was projecting him to be so good.

00:50:48: It was the same thing.

00:50:49: I feel like KD gets a little

00:50:52: Yeah,

00:50:53: melancholy angsty after a few years in a place And the team kind of chemistry kind of falls apart.

00:50:59: So we've seen this happen A few times.

00:51:02: that a few places That i kinda thinking there's gonna Be a bit of a chemistry Concern breakdown.

00:51:09: and so I it's weird because on paper.

00:51:12: I love So many of these guys are their position, but i was trying to think like Who do I hedge?

00:51:17: On if i'm ultimately hedging on houston

00:51:20: you're making me depressed.

00:51:21: towards the end Of this podcast Kevin Durant didn't have to be the NBA's greatest player ever without a home.

00:51:29: He was supposed to be The Greatest Superstar in Seattle, super sonic history.

00:51:32: And I'm not sure if he had recovered because this city would've embraced all of his mood swings and-he kind of fits like the grunge aesthetic.

00:51:38: Not too basic about it but like His weird kind of like the realism Of him?

00:51:43: He is very accessible!

00:51:45: He wears those emotions on his sleeve.

00:51:46: Um...He's perfect for up here.

00:51:48: It fucking sucks.

00:51:49: Oh

00:51:49: yeah Throw that logo out there.

00:51:52: Rep that logo there.

00:51:52: show that thing out

00:51:54: man.

00:51:54: They're playing around with us again trying to use Seattle as leverage.

00:51:57: talking about Mexico City.

00:51:58: friggin Adam Silver is just the Frankenstein monster that David Stern created before he died.

00:52:04: rest in place.

00:52:05: you guys are getting the blazers.

00:52:06: Rest in Pistons turn.

00:52:08: That's a whole not so you see an SNI.

00:52:09: we share this heavyweight.

00:52:11: Yeah, no places

00:52:13: have been gone five years.

00:52:14: There's no way.

00:52:14: it's disgusting to see these things pulling themselves at again.

00:52:18: That's not to get into the politics of One of our favorite topics that we do, um We've done a couple times.

00:52:42: It was our very first podcast.

00:52:44: I believe it's just called projecting the jump.

00:52:46: and then the idea Of That Was Just Taking A Look At The Players You Know And Saying Okay Like Compared To Their Costs And Compared to their Past Production Who Is Gonna Take The Biggest Sleep?

00:52:55: It Was Projecting The Jump.

00:52:56: Its Kind Of How We Came Up With The Name.

00:52:58: Um So i Did Send natronclean A Quick Text And Uh Told Him Hey Come up with Your MVL And Thats Your Most Valuable Leaper Narrowed it down to one player that I think at cost Could look back and just be a complete monster where you can still get him in drafts.

00:53:17: He's going up A bit but uh, But i had One name?

00:53:20: I've shaved off Nate.

00:53:21: did You come up with one?

00:53:22: Uh missed that tax.

00:53:24: oh damn It.

00:53:24: there was a lot of those like we were both pretty busy today.

00:53:26: so That's fair.

00:53:27: um okay i'm gonna give you my mvl My most valuable Lieber.

00:53:32: Call them worry boils.

00:53:34: Oh,

00:53:36: a player that when Nate first brought him up last year.

00:53:39: I gave it the Charles Barkley.

00:53:40: who?

00:53:42: That's Snoop into the microphone and he told them this week as like man you nailed that pick.

00:53:51: I just love his nine cat fantasy profile, you know.

00:53:54: and one of the reasons this price.

00:53:56: it has been suppressed And now he's creeping up into the eighth ninth.

00:53:59: I saw him go that the eight-nine turn last night.

00:54:02: i think That's a fine price.

00:54:04: still People feel like he's blocked from big minutes.

00:54:08: But who's blocking them?

00:54:10: It's kawaii Leonard in yaka purple not exactly pillars of long long term season health Good

00:54:15: boy,

00:54:16: and I think he could crush at that price in twenty four minutes.

00:54:18: but Just that you get the power forward center eligibility.

00:54:22: If he gets a chance to, if Kawhi gets hurt or they just say effort we're giving this guy thirty two minutes.

00:54:27: I think it could be looking at top forty player.

00:54:29: Right?

00:54:33: The way your phrase is right He has two shots getting there and even if doesn't get either one of those shots he's still going provide almost value for him.

00:54:47: not quite but really close.

00:54:49: Exactly, so I just...I love that.

00:54:50: he has two paths to finishing as a top forty player and i'm going to predict the Call of Meribos at the end of season is a Top Forty Player.

00:55:00: it's gonna happen!

00:55:00: Love this!

00:55:01: It's gonna find a way there.

00:55:02: Love this line Jay.

00:55:04: Yeah and thats-that's gonna be per game.

00:55:06: rank

00:55:07: Nice.

00:55:10: Give me a name Nate.

00:55:11: you feel like big leaper.

00:55:14: You got names popping in your head.

00:55:15: give me one leaper.

00:55:17: Alright

00:55:21: I don't have somebody... I'm

00:55:22: putting them on

00:55:23: the spot.

00:55:24: Yeah, you're puttin' me in the spot here real quick and i'm gonna try to uh come up with some body- I'm going to put it into chat.

00:55:33: so imma put it head over.

00:55:36: editor of youtube.

00:55:37: throw it out there probably by time your already listenin do.

00:55:43: that name's gonna be on there when we come back from next podcast.

00:55:51: You would make a good politician, much.

00:55:52: you already know that.

00:55:53: And part of your job is public front-of-facing.

00:55:55: but yes in the chat when you see Nate's comment hop in there let us know yours as well.

00:56:01: it has been really fun engaging these pods where I did this week and we're kind of lonely, but it's been just nice to get a little momentum.

00:56:07: And i'm really glad We were able to end with this and we'll be hitting you guys back super super soon.

00:56:12: Not sure if we are going to hop on the mic before tomorrow?

00:56:14: We have our big auction drafts and im freaking excited as hell!

00:56:18: During that auction when we're scraping for value... ...and waiting for some name to come up.. ..I will have another draft beginning.

00:56:25: so ill double tabbing Are

00:56:26: ya realy?

00:56:28: Double

00:56:28: tabbing

00:56:29: You gonna live stream then our auction

00:56:32: dress?

00:56:32: No Hell no That's that.

00:56:36: A, there is no.

00:56:37: at that point everyone's drafted.

00:56:38: so be pointless and B that sick.

00:56:40: I did watch the Josh Lloyds auction draft though And he's all crushing a monster and like you just never see it.

00:56:48: It's Like um...it's like a kid when Christmas hits.

00:56:51: There's Just something it does to a fantasy man When they're in The middle of that Auction.

00:56:54: i think At One Point Everyone In The League Should Have To Record Themselves.

00:56:57: We should Get Together For Someone's Bachelor Party.

00:57:00: Watch Ourselves Draft the

00:57:02: amount of like cursing that happens when somebody snags your guy or whatever.

00:57:09: Like if we put the live chat, um... If I livestreamed The Draft and put the league chat up there YouTube would kick us out.

00:57:17: We'd go the ways of clavicular.

00:57:19: We wouldn't be allowed to be on the YouTubes But uh... It'll

00:57:24: be RFK-ing.

00:57:26: Well listen guys.

00:57:27: Uh..we're really excited for this season.

00:57:29: Hope you are too.

00:57:30: Remember To LIKE Subscribe.

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00:57:36: I am flying Jay.

00:57:37: that is nature on clean Nate, it's good to see you dude.

00:57:40: Good

00:57:41: to see as well.

00:57:43: We're loving

00:57:43: the day tomorrow

00:57:44: we love in the facial hair.

00:57:46: It's a good look.

00:57:47: its a drafting man's luck Tomorrow is gonna be ridiculous.

00:57:50: I do want to give a shout-out to Odenspeen.

00:57:51: last thing i'm going To say Is uh Maritime and Seafood Industry Museum?

00:57:56: As A fantastic fantasy name And Its Impressive You'll Be able Go Those Characters On There.

00:57:59: Wow,

00:57:59: I didn't.

00:57:59: yeah just squeeze that in.

00:58:02: Oh my give us a pay must have paid you out of a few extra bucks.

00:58:06: By the way flying memo Kellers Vileys is still my name because I You can't change your name when you're on a title streak?

00:58:12: You can t change her name.

00:58:14: Do you agree with it?

00:58:19: It's been a few years since they've been on that long of a streak.

00:58:21: so but uh i'd had to think back

00:58:25: like you can't?

00:58:25: you shouldn't mean A champ and reigning champion should not change their fucking name.

00:58:29: That s bad luck.

00:58:29: thats how I feel about.

00:58:31: You know man,

00:58:32: I'm just saying yeah, huh

00:58:34: freakin drop enough bombs.

00:58:35: All right guys i think it's time to get out of here.

00:58:37: Thanks for hanging with us and we'll see you all soon.

00:58:40: Cool later

00:58:43: Just got a uh.

00:58:44: end the recording.

00:58:45: i'll grab.